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  1. kylebennett
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    Stop half-assing logic and eat a steak.

  2. Jared Mark
    Jared Mark at |

    What a load of shit this article is.

    Taken to this rather illogical extreme, the NAP is a suicide pact. Walking on grass? Nope, can’t do that! You’re violating the grass with the aggression of your heavy footfalls!

    What about the property rights of that mole that made its home in your lawn?

    Oops, can’t do anything about the termites that are eating away at the tree in your front yard!

    This entire argument presumes the automatic equality between various species. The entire argument is VERY simple to debunk: Do we enforce the NAP by denying the right of the cheetah to chase down and kill the gazelle? No, of course we don’t. Because we recognize that the cheetah MUST do so to survive, and it’s a part of the natural order of things. In fact, those who think on a deeper level than this article’s very shallow thinking, will recognize that we are doing a disservice to the gazelles by protecting them from the cheetah.

    And for the record: I would have no problem shooting a cow in the head. I have room in my freezer for the processed results.

    1. disqus_QBspQu5Oox
      disqus_QBspQu5Oox at |

      Says “Taken to this rather illogical extreme”

      then claims

      “You’re violating the grass with the aggression of your heavy footfalls!”

      Now THAT’S a “load of shit”.

    2. Leo
      Leo at |

      Are you, like, 16?

  3. Jared Mark
    Jared Mark at |

    Oh, and on the subject of “rights”… I have rights because I declare myself to have rights. When a cow can declare their own rights, maybe then I’ll listen. It’s not your job to declare the rights of the cow on behalf of the cow…

    1. Leo
      Leo at |

      Declare those rights to a grizzly and the cubs. Then let them know you come in peace so they don’t view you as a threat……
      There’s one major fundamental flaw with your point.
      The other being the fact that “having rights” is a concept that applies to governed civilization, where rights do not always exist.

  4. Glyn Sable
    Glyn Sable at |

    Is harvesting a plant, killing and taking its young, any less aggressive – or because it is not an animate creature you feel comfortable in your superiority as a sentient living thing?

  5. Leo
    Leo at |

    “Animal rights” stems from the of one’s mentality being conformed to the lines of society, effectively causing us to loose touch with ourselves as a species. I mean, even if a Lion could conceptualize the suffering of his/her prey, should the Lion stop hunting?

  6. Olly Neville
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    I am disgusted at the butchery of the NAP here – Plants are living beings and this author is demanding I kill and eat them. Lets have another thought experiment where the grocery store has all plant life growing instead of neatly packaged. Would the author kill those plants to feed himself? Just because plants aren’t the same as animals (which aren’t the same as humans) doesn’t mean its any less an aggressive killing act.

    And there lies the problem. The author’s own logic requires him to starve rather than initiate violence against plants or animals.

    1. Liam
      Liam at |

      ” Just because plants aren’t the same as animals (which aren’t the same as
      humans) doesn’t mean its any less an aggressive killing act. ”

      Humans actually are animals though. Sure, there are differences between humans and kittens and dairy cows, but I think that the differences are less important than the similarities.

      We all have nervous systems, we can all feel both pleasure and pain. We all have emotions and can experience distress. Some of the animals we eat, such as cows, form complex social bonds with their friends and family. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs and all animals have a vested interest in not being exploited by humans.

      There is a clear difference between animals and plants and Im sure you know that. There is a reason why we wouldnt tolerate a person kicking their pet cat but do not mind if somebody picks a strawberry. The issue is not that animals are alive, but rather that they can suffer in a way not at all unlike the way in which humans suffer. After all, we are animals too.

  7. Liam
    Liam at |

    A lot of people seem to be missing the point here. Its quite a simple point imho, that we should not harm others – be they human or another species of animal. If a subject has the capacity to feel harm, we should not inflict harm on it for our personal benefit. If that is not what the NAP means, then I have no idea what it’s supposed to mean instead.

    To make the jump from here to plants is just plain silly. You cant hurt plants. Compare, for example, a pig being slaughtered to a stawberry being picked. You dont need me to explain the clear differences, Im sure.

    Appealing to nature is also silly. Sure, cheetahs and lions have to hurt other animals to survive, but humans really do not. We can live perfectly healthy and happy lives without resorting to animal cruelty. This is a choice that people make as individuals, not some ordained law of nature.

    If we do not look out for the rights of those without a voice, then who will? We look out for the rights of babies and the disabled. We look out for the rights of housepets. So why do we turn a blind eye as soon as the cruelty benefits us personally, as with ‘food’ animals?

    1. susan rocca
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      There were lots of good points in your comment, Liam. But what about milk cows and laying hens? Not everyone can live vegan. And these animals aren’t pets. Should farmers who raise these valuable proteins have to be burdened with old animals that no longer bear profit?

      1. Liam
        Liam at |

        The dairy industry is possibly the most cruel of all the animal industries. Dairy cows go through a lot, they are repeatedly impregnated and have their calves taken away to make veal, they have been bred to have huge udders that are often very uncomforable to carry, many of them get mastitis from the milking machines and there are several other issues.
        Egg laying hens go through a lot of pain and stress too, even in ‘cage-free’ or free-range farms. Im going to save you from having to read a long list about all the various ways they are harmed, the information is out there if you want to read it.

        These animals arent pets, sure, but does that mean they are less deserving of basic rights, such as the right to live free of human exploitation? What makes it wrong to hurt a kitten but acceptable to hurt a cow or a chicken?

        You say that not everyone can live vegan. Perhaps in poorer countries this is still true, but in the western world we do all have the option, as individuals, to decide that we dont want to take part in animal cruelty. Personally I believe that harming animals is not okay, even if it does make a profit, and that is why I have chosen to avoid eating animal products. Its not actually as hard as it sounds

        If you do believe in equality and non-aggression, I urge you to spend some time thinking about the consequences your diet has on other sentient lives. Im not trying to preach veganism at you, but I do think its an issue worth giving some serious thought.